This is an edited chat discussion with research links about giant isopods and coconut crabs as affecting design theory on crab-clawed bugs, or isopods as bug larva
why are they so cute looking!
me: wow! Might be the rounded head outline
They’re not spikey and threatening. The tiny version would be garden poly-polies
Stella: and the large eyes
Stella: like silk moths
me: y compre that to the mantis shrimps, which look badass, and you see these look cute
A lot of kinds of moths look fuzzy and cute, come to think
petition I think you’d get behind tooo
heard an interesting NPR intereview, guy who’s been interviewing people and written a book about life inside the MExican drug cartels. Cutting off the cocaine trade flying directly ito Miami (very very profiable) drove the Colombian cartels to us overland through MExico. Of course th eMexican cartels grew and gained control. Now it’s a majorwar/insurrection because the gov’t has proven itself so corrupt that nobody can count on them for the rule of law.
WHo knew that the PRI kept a lid on all kinds of things with their lock on power 20 years ago?
more on isopods, some of those pix came from this website
they say it’s terrifying
Oh, here’s a great pic! They say it’s 2 1/5 feet long
Stella: pretty cool huh
I think I looked up crabclaw image
looking for stuff to morph
me: It looks more threatening unfolded where you can see the claws and mouth parts
Much more charming all curled up
me: ahh! Well, that one with it stretched out and the legs unfolded does have some great clawlike structures there
This one has some spiny lobsters in there–looks like somebody cooked lunch almost!
Which brings up the really awful idea–what if local folks in th swamp capture stra bugs (not implanted people, but the original bugs themselves) as young swimmers escaped as larvae from the bug labs? And they’re cooking them like shrimp or lobsters
It’s bad when you ooog yourself out worse than anything other people manage.
I meant to say, stray bugs there
well, tit for tat yeah
don’t look like there would be much good eating on them
me: The meat section supporting the legs, like the tail of the odder kinds of lobsters. Or more like crawfish, perhaps
Ok, there’d be another question if I actually used that idea (blergh!1 argh! Calvin-an-Hobbes yucky face!!!)
because the implanted bugs have problems with germs in the swamp, fungla infections just knock them down in four days.
But if the stray larvae can survive, that sugests a kind of bug that would thrive in the swamp. NOT goood news for our side!
as an ah-hah Now What moment, it could be pretty nasty.
Might be Seung who ids it by the smell
Stella: ONoly of there’s room for it in the story
me: That would explain more motivation for geting rid of the bug labs all at once, before they can further develop such “resistent” bugs
Dunno, that’s much later on
Stella: only if you can make room for that in the story…
make a not of it though
me: But it’d be cool if that was a piece of info Seung brings to the table when he first meets everybody, a sort of, “oh, by the way, did you realize–”
me: because he’s had a great deal of exposure to bug troops on the way to the keys etc
Stella: and i could so imagine him shrugging
and saying “yeah, we eat them
me: oh god yes while everybody else freaks out
Stella: is good food
Stella: like big shrimps
get tough if you cook too long
me: odd taste after, like oil
Stella: everyone wants to barf
me: prolly because they’ve been trapping and eating the damn things like lobsters too
Stella: youknow there is anendangered crab in tahiti called the coconut crab
me: I actually sat down and watched a series of leisurely Cajun vids about how to build a modern-day crawfish trap. He uses zipties, frex.
Stella: used to be so big a woman could stand on one and it would walk withher on it’s back
me: I could see a guy like that feeding people on bug larvae!
Stella: now they are eaten up too fast, no chance to grow that big
me: No, I didn’t know that! I bet the pix of that would be awesome
I’ve heard the name, had no idea they got big
Stella: they have a spot behind their head that is full of pure coconut oil
me: now there’s an intriguing thought
does anyone know why?
Stella: you roat the crab ion your beachside bonfire, crack it open, dip the meat in this heated coconut oil
it’s a food supply for the crab
me: jeez, self-marinating
Stella: and au juice for crab eaters 😀
Stella: so, our bugs might have a pouchof oil that you want to watch out for
Stella: don’t let it contaminate the meat
me: that’s where that oily smell comes from later on
me: the metallic bits are like a preservative, to keep germs from infecting the oil
what a cool idea!
Would Keisha know that bit about the crabs, or is it more of an Emma factoid?
Stella: Keisha might not know about them because she doesn’t sail the pacific
me: Maybe heard stories from other sailors??
the oil might have other properties too
can be enlarged tank in the flamethrower bugs
with toxic elements to it
like Greek fire
Stella: good idea!
me: depending on the target, the bug can inject a jellying agent that makes the burning fluid cling to things
really nasty shit
Stella: all of this should be written up and put into the library section
maybe grab this chat text and pop it in as is?
I do like being able to go back and consult notes in chat
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saved the pic of the isopods and the crabs on the tray looking like lunch
GOd, I am fond of the idea of Seung very offhandedly saying, those are baby bigs you know”
or just pointing, saying, “Baby bugs”
and maybe people have been eating those because the catch has been low on a lot of other things wherever those are found–eating their way through the ecosystem
Stella: Doc Alex if that’s his name?
me: So hunting them down would actually be doing the local animals a service
Stella: would be VERYUPSET
Stella: and curse like a motherfucker
me: esp if the bugs also eat things like seagrasses and vegetable stuff and mow everything down to the nubs, omnivorous
Stella: people would be going “We ain’t been getting sick none, whats your problem
sorry that was yes
Stella: I thought so
me: and the conundrum if you want to stop them causing damage, people need to catch more of them
now here’s a question–can Seung or Dance tolerate eating them?
Or would they actually prefer them over other things??
Stella: Ooh yeha they should have no problem with them
cast iron stomachs aside
there’s some shared DNA
me: Dr Alex might insist people ought to catch the bugs and kill em and feed them to fish (like trout chow) because less possbility of cross contamination than with feeding it to pigs or chickens
would that metallic oily smell put off the nagas?
but I also bet plenty of folks will ignore the dr and eat em personally, or feed the scraps to the chickens
Seung’s ot a pretty strong set of tastebuds, he might like it as a sort of “tang”
Stella: ah. yeah, now that you mention it, theyare very attuned to that smell
it’s the smell of enemy
me: but there might be a sort of hunting instinct there which, instead of getting sick on it, it’s more like, nailed that sucker!
Stella: and maybe the babies don’t reek as bad as the mature ones
me: There’s also an interesting possibility that the bug larvae growing out in the swamp, tolerant of it, are so modified that they can’t be used YET for command and control and implanting people. That genetic change to tolerate the swamp has made them alien to their own hives
They’d keep experimenting to cross that gulf, but for the time being, not getting overrun with swmapyt bugs. But it’s possible (here’s another idea) that the reason that Cesar etc were able to defy bug command is that they were implanted with bug larvae that were swamp tolerant
that’s why they can continue to exist in the swamp hiding out
and make everybody very nervous that bugs will come to tolerate fungi instead of falling apart
Could be a fun scene where a hostile swampy blasts those guys with a faceul of Kombucha spores, and they just blink and wipe em off
It’s sort of parellel to the threat of Dance and Seung–they make great allies, but if the enemy gets hold of them, it could get a lot worse
me: I just flipped through a doll post (girl singer doll repainted) and I find… wait for it… the name of the band is Larvae Cure.
Stella: you’re starting to think like a sci fi writer :*
me: starting to?
Ok, it was Larva Cure, no e
Stella: more than I’ve ever noticed really
sometimes the writing comes first and then you find something that fits it, in this case a cool idea sparks off plot ideas
AndI can always watch Seung when he wants to talk!
You know, Drin might know about coconut crabs
he bummed arounquite a bit in that period he doesn’t recall very well between healing from bug burns and the motorcycle wreck